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[interviewer] How old are you?

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A child from the Ukraine
who was adopted by

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a married couple here
in the US,

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what happens after that

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will make your head
burst into flame.

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[reporter] <i>Is this a child</i>
<i>or a grown woman?</i>

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Bruh, this documentary
is unhinged as hell.

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It's called <i>The Curious Case</i>
<i>of Natalia Grace.</i>

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<i>The Curious Case</i>
<i>of Natalia Grace.</i>

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It is shocking.

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[reporter 2] <i>More than</i>
<i>10 million people watched.</i>

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I have never watched
a documentary this good.

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This story captured
the imagination of the world.

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Oh, my God. I'm blown away.

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Whoa. I am shooketh.

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She was gonna kill everybody.

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She's evil.

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[woman] <i>You've adopted a kid</i>

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<i>and now</i>
<i>they're trying to kill you.</i>

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I mean, it's the stuff
of a horror movie, right?

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[man] <i>Like a serial killer</i>
<i>or something.</i>

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[anonymous person speaking]

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Kristine tried to set me up
with Natalia.

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She was an adult.

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[Nicole DePaul]
<i>Natalia was a child.</i>

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Is it true? Is it not?

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<i>We don't know.</i>

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[woman 2] <i>Definitely not</i>
<i>an area of town</i>

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<i>that I would let my kids</i>
<i>walk around unattended.</i>

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He's not the kind of guy
that could do well

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<i>if he had to go to prison.</i>

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[voice breaking]
I couldn't!

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I just couldn't.

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What a creepy guy.

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Who does that with
his daughter?

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[news anchor]
<i>Eight months later,</i>

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<i>the world is unified</i>
<i>in one thing.</i>

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<i>They want to hear</i>
<i>from Natalia.</i>

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[woman 3] <i>They don't know that</i>
<i>there's 100% one villain here.</i>

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[woman 4] <i>There were all these</i>
<i>pieces to a puzzle</i>

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<i>that we couldn't quite</i>
<i>put together.</i>

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[Beth Karas]
<i>Natalia was a victim.</i>

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<i>The Barnetts</i>
<i>are the predators.</i>

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[man 2] <i>Kristine trying</i>
<i>to beat the truth out of her.</i>

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That was what
broke my heart the most.

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[interviewer speaking]

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Just when you think
you have it solved,

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you find out you don't.

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[man 3]
<i>The story just got crazier.</i>

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[man 4] <i>You might</i>
<i>not like the truth.</i>

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[Natalia]
<i>The Barnetts tried to paint me</i>
<i>as this big monster.</i>

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<i>They claimed</i>
<i>I'm lying about my age.</i>

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<i>I was six years old</i>
<i>when they adopted me.</i>

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<i>but the Barnetts did</i>
<i>a petition to change my age</i>
<i>to 22 years old.</i>

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<i>I literally lost my childhood.</i>

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[Cynthia Mans]
<i>When the verdict</i>
<i>was handed down for Michael</i>

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<i>and they said, "Not guilty,"</i>

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and he looked at us
and he smirked...

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it was like watching
my daughter be raped.

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<i>There was no justice served.</i>

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<i>If I could've</i>
<i>caught Kristine in an alley</i>

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and put a black hoodie on,

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I would have busted her
upside the head.

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There are things
I'm gonna tell you

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that you have not heard
from anyone else yet.

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Michael and Kristine
are cowards.
They're heartless cowards.

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That's not love. That's hate.

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Sometimes the truth
is crazier than fiction.

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She knew that she couldn't
"give the kid back."

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She's a little girl.
She's not a car.

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[scoffs]

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Many of these questions,
there's not gonna be
a single answer to,

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<i>there's gonna be</i>
<i>a lot of answers to.</i>

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[Dr. Timothy Gossweiler]
<i>What I'm about to show you</i>

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will be definitive as to
how old Natalia was.

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[Dr. Halland Chen] <i>Her DNA</i>
<i>has all the answers.</i>

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I was never in y'all's room
with a knife.

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I know what I saw.

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[Natalia] <i>In every lie,</i>
<i>is a hidden truth.</i>

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<i>But you gotta dig enough</i>
<i>to be able to see it.</i>

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<i>They're not gonna</i>
<i>get away with this.</i>

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<i>This is my side of the story.</i>

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Do I look like
a monster to you?

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There has been so much time

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that I've been just trying
to figure out who I am.

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I have no idea.

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Because, right now, this is
like a 1,000-piece puzzle

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and I think I have like maybe
only 300 pieces together.

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I want you to know
how old I am.

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I want you to know
about my past,

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because I wanna know too.

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<i>It's very fuzzy.</i>

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<i>Like, there's a lot of things</i>
<i>that I remember,</i>

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but like I can't picture it.

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<i>So I want the puzzle</i>
<i>to be complete.</i>

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But the things that Kristine
and Michael have said

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that I've done

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is a lie.

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<i>It was all copied off</i>
<i>the movie</i> Orphan.

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Ukrainian girl, Russian girl.

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Check.

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Orphan. Check.

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All this crazy stuff,

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standing at the end of the bed
with a knife.

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Check.

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That's why I wanna do this.

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That's why I wanna tell people
what really happened,

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because I didn't get
that chance.

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<i>Michael and Kristine</i>
<i>are painting me</i>

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<i>as this homicidal maniac.</i>

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"She was eating her period.
And she hid it for this long.

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And having pubic hair at
seven years old,

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like, don't trust her. Don't
believe anything she says.

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She's trying
to murder my family,"

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and this, that and the third.

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But then you're gonna
come into that apartment

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that y'all dropped my off in

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and pretty much
try to murder me.

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I just want people to
know the truth.

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I'm Bishop Antwon Mans.

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And I am Natalia's dad.

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We started taking in children.
We wanted to adopt

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<i>because there was a lot of</i>
<i>children who need a family,</i>

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<i>who don't have a family.</i>

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I'm Cynthia Mans.
I love being a mom.

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I have literally 11 children.

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<i>And I'm Natalia Grace's mom.</i>

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[Natalia] <i>I've been with the</i>
<i>Mans family for over 10 years.</i>

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You can see my life
the way it is.

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-[Antwon] A lot of love.
Great.
-Thank you.

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[Natalia] <i>I finally have</i>
<i>parents that love me</i>

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more than Kristine and Michael
ever did.

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<i>My dad and my mom,</i>
<i>they let me be a kid.</i>

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<i>My dad protects me.</i>

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He does what a dad
is supposed to do.

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<i>My mom</i>
<i>gives me hugs every day</i>

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<i>and tells me</i>
<i>how much she loves me.</i>

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And never once
have they had to worry

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about me hurting their kids.

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<i>I have siblings that love me.</i>
<i>You can see that they love me</i>

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and that I love them.

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[laughing] Hi!

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Hi. Oh, hi!

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Hi.

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There's no-- Oh, hi.
Oh, my gosh.

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She has been a light
to our family.

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She has brought so much joy.

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But when Natalia came
into our family,

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she was broken.

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[all praying]
Love in the name of Jesus.

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We plead the blood of Jesus...

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[Cynthia] <i>And we're trying</i>
<i>to pick up her pieces</i>

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<i>from her being shattered</i>

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<i>by what Kristine and Michael</i>
<i>did to her.</i>

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[Antwon] We pray, God, that
the truth will be revealed.

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[Cynthia] Hallelujah.
Thank you, Jesus.

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<i>I'm Beth Karas. I'm a former</i>
<i>prosecutor in New York City</i>

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<i>and also a legal analyst.</i>

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In my experience,

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this is one of
the most twisted cases

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I've ever seen.

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<i>This story is very different</i>
<i>from anything I've covered.</i>

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Usually, I'm doing stories
that have to do with murder
and mayhem.

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And this has no murder,
but it has a lot of mayhem,

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and a lot of it.

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<i>I mean, it's like a ping pong.</i>

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<i>It's just going in</i>
<i>one direction to another</i>

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as new information
comes to light.

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Especially now that Natalia
is able to speak to us.

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<i>And, today,</i>
<i>it seems pretty clear</i>

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<i>that Natalia has the family</i>
<i>she's always wanted,</i>

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<i>the Manses.</i>

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<i>But that wasn't</i>
<i>always the case.</i>

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<i>'Cause back in 2013,</i>
<i>the Barnetts relocated Natalia</i>

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to Tippecanoe County
as a re-aged adult.

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<i>So she's living there</i>
<i>on her own.</i>

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At an adult learning center,

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Natalia gets the attention
of the faculty and staff

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because it's
an adult learning center,

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but she's kind of childlike.

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<i>So they call the police.</i>

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This is what led the current
Sheriff of Tippecanoe County,

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Bob Goldsmith,
but then a detective,

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to get involved in
the investigation of Natalia.

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<i>I'm Bob Goldsmith. I'm the</i>
<i>Sheriff of Tippecanoe County.</i>

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<i>In our Detective Division,</i>
<i>I was the first detective</i>
<i>involved.</i>

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People talk about a case
that's kind of like
a defining moment,

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the one they'll never forget.

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This is one of those cases.

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<i>It was in September, 2014,</i>

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<i>when I received a phone call</i>
<i>from Excel Center.</i>

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They said they had
a young lady that had came in,

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<i>was enrolled in school,</i>

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and things just
weren't adding up.

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She said this young lady
has an Indiana ID

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<i>that says she's like</i>
<i>22 years old,</i>

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twenty-five years old
or something like that,
they said.

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But the conversations she has,

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you'd think she's like
maybe 11.

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<i>I've been around people</i>
<i>with special needs</i>

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throughout my career,

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but nobody like Natalia.

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When she walked in,
her backpack was bigger
than she was.

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And she was very, very short.

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And she climbed right up in
the chair and started talking.

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I asked her if she--
"Do you think you're
25 years old?"

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And she said, "No."

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[Travis] <i>I remember</i>
<i>we got in the car,</i>
<i>we both have kids,</i>

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and we're just like, "There's
no way she's that old."

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Some people, they have
commented that it's an act.

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What's your take
on Natalia acting?

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In all the interactions that
me and you had with Natalia

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at the Excel Center and here,

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<i>even watching her</i>
<i>in the lobby,</i>

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she always acted
like a little child.

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She played
like a little child.

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She talked
like a little child.

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If she's acting,

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she never broke it
that we could see.

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I know at one point,
I asked Natalia,

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um, if she had been abused.

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And she kind of
closed up on me.

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She quit talking.
She got silent.

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00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,100
You could tell
she was uncomfortable.

225
00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:30,166
I don't know if that's
physical abuse, sexual,

226
00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:32,467
I have no idea.
But I wasn't gonna pry.

227
00:11:32,467 --> 00:11:34,767
Um, I learned through
the training

228
00:11:34,767 --> 00:11:36,967
and having interviewed
several kids

229
00:11:37,033 --> 00:11:39,667
and working these cases
over the years,

230
00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:41,567
it's not gonna
do any good to pry.

231
00:11:41,634 --> 00:11:43,467
Um, when a child's ready
to tell their story,

232
00:11:43,533 --> 00:11:45,533
they'll tell it.
So I just left it alone.

233
00:11:47,367 --> 00:11:48,567
<i>Knowing what I know,</i>

234
00:11:48,567 --> 00:11:50,734
I don't think
justice has been served.

235
00:11:51,367 --> 00:11:53,000
But what I do believe

236
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,867
is that Natalia's in a place
where's she's happy now,

237
00:11:55,934 --> 00:11:58,467
and she feels safe,
and she feels loved.

238
00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:00,367
And that's what she said
she wanted.

239
00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,066
I don't know.

240
00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:13,133
No.

241
00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:17,867
Because Natalia
had been telling everybody,

242
00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:20,567
therapists, doctors, us,

243
00:12:20,634 --> 00:12:24,467
um, that she was a grown-up.

244
00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:27,567
[Natalia] <i>It's true that</i>
<i>I told everybody</i>
<i>that I'm 22 years old.</i>

245
00:12:28,166 --> 00:12:29,767
<i>But...</i>

246
00:12:29,767 --> 00:12:33,934
Kristine literally
trained me to lie.

247
00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:35,533
And--

248
00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:37,467
that's what makes it worse,

249
00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,867
the fact that it had to
come from me

250
00:12:39,867 --> 00:12:41,867
and...

251
00:12:41,867 --> 00:12:43,367
they could use that
against me,

252
00:12:43,367 --> 00:12:45,166
like, "Oh, but you said it."

253
00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:49,166
You said that you was
22 years old.

254
00:12:49,233 --> 00:12:50,967
And then they changed my age.

255
00:12:50,967 --> 00:12:53,767
That whole thing was just
a big chain reaction

256
00:12:53,767 --> 00:12:55,166
from one lie.

257
00:12:57,567 --> 00:13:00,667
<i>But people don't know</i>
<i>what happened in that house.</i>

258
00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:04,333
<i>They tortured me.</i>

259
00:13:05,367 --> 00:13:07,033
<i>I was abused.</i>

260
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,734
<i>Kristine is the real monster.</i>

261
00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,834
<i>Michael is an accomplice</i>
<i>to the monster...</i>

262
00:13:15,567 --> 00:13:18,333
<i>because he went along with</i>
<i>everything that Kristine said.</i>

263
00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:20,767
<i>Who does that?</i>

264
00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:26,667
[Natalia] <i>Changing my age</i>

265
00:13:26,667 --> 00:13:29,567
<i>is the worst thing that</i>
<i>the Barnetts ever did to me.</i>

266
00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:32,467
It hurts every single day.

267
00:13:32,467 --> 00:13:36,066
<i>But I was so terrified</i>
<i>of Kristine.</i>

268
00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:37,467
<i>When she told me</i>
<i>to tell people</i>

269
00:13:37,533 --> 00:13:39,166
<i>that I was 22 years old,</i>

270
00:13:39,166 --> 00:13:41,266
<i>that's what I did.</i>

271
00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:44,266
<i>One time, Kristine told me,</i>
<i>she was like,</i>

272
00:13:44,266 --> 00:13:47,634
<i>"I'm gonna show you</i>
<i>what it's gonna feel like.</i>

273
00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,767
<i>If you do something wrong,</i>
<i>I'ma pepper spray you."</i>

274
00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:57,000
<i>Kristine told me</i>
<i>to keep my eyes open.</i>

275
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,634
<i>And then she just</i>
<i>pepper sprayed me.</i>

276
00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,166
And I couldn't
do anything about it.

277
00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:10,333
<i>She literally made me sit</i>
<i>there for like ten minutes.</i>

278
00:14:14,266 --> 00:14:17,367
<i>Until I could finally go</i>
<i>wash it out.</i>

279
00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,467
<i>And, even then,</i>
<i>it still hurt.</i>

280
00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,533
And she didn't care.

281
00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,667
She didn't care.

282
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,367
[sniffles]

283
00:14:37,567 --> 00:14:39,834
It just really hurt...

284
00:14:40,767 --> 00:14:43,266
because she was supposed
to be my mom.

285
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,634
But she didn't
act like a mom to me.

286
00:15:03,066 --> 00:15:05,000
[Beth] <i>Kristine was going</i>
<i>to push the envelope</i>

287
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,166
as far as she could
to try to break Natalia.

288
00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:11,000
So Kristine starts putting
words in Natalia's mouth.

289
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,567
"This is what you tell people.
This is what you say.

290
00:15:14,634 --> 00:15:16,266
You're 22."

291
00:15:16,266 --> 00:15:18,066
And the threat of
being pepper sprayed

292
00:15:18,066 --> 00:15:20,867
was just another
control mechanism.

293
00:15:20,867 --> 00:15:24,066
<i>The abuse against Natalia</i>
<i>didn't start immediately.</i>

294
00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:28,934
<i>But the Barnetts' attempt</i>
<i>to control the narrative did.</i>

295
00:15:30,667 --> 00:15:33,567
[Michael]
<i>Looking back to 2010,</i>

296
00:15:33,567 --> 00:15:35,533
something just wasn't right.

297
00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,367
<i>And you've gotta understand</i>

298
00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:39,734
<i>with it being</i>
<i>a closed adoption,</i>

299
00:15:39,734 --> 00:15:43,066
<i>the adoption agency</i>
<i>was not willing to share</i>
<i>any details of her</i>

300
00:15:43,066 --> 00:15:44,367
when we asked them originally,

301
00:15:44,367 --> 00:15:46,266
"Can you help give us
contact information

302
00:15:46,266 --> 00:15:47,367
for her old family.

303
00:15:47,433 --> 00:15:49,967
We have got to find out
what's going on here."

304
00:15:50,033 --> 00:15:51,667
They said, "No, we can't."

305
00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:54,467
And then I got a phone call
from the secretary
of the adoption agency

306
00:15:54,533 --> 00:15:56,467
a little bit later that day.

307
00:15:56,467 --> 00:16:00,834
And she said, "I can't
tell you where she's from.

308
00:16:01,467 --> 00:16:03,333
But check her luggage closer."

309
00:16:04,767 --> 00:16:07,567
There was a little ID tag
inside of her bag

310
00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:09,166
when we adopted her

311
00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:11,867
that had the original
family's information on it.

312
00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:14,166
I have never
met them in person.

313
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,767
I have no idea
why they would say

314
00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,066
they never met the Ciccones

315
00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:21,834
when they literally met them
at the adoption agency.

316
00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,266
<i>Like, I remember</i>
<i>having to wait</i>

317
00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:27,066
<i>for who knows how long</i>

318
00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:29,367
<i>while the Ciccones</i>
<i>talked to the Barnetts.</i>

319
00:16:29,367 --> 00:16:31,767
<i>Like, that's literally</i>
<i>like how I remember it,</i>

320
00:16:31,767 --> 00:16:33,467
<i>like plain as day.</i>

321
00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:34,533
<i>So...</i>

322
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:37,734
I don't understand that.

323
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,967
<i>The Ciccones were the first</i>
<i>family that ever adopted me</i>
<i>from the Ukraine.</i>

324
00:16:43,967 --> 00:16:47,266
I remember find out that
they were gonna adopt me

325
00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:49,667
and I was so excited

326
00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:53,667
because all I've ever known
was being in that orphanage.

327
00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:57,367
And then just to find out that
someone is gonna adopt me

328
00:16:57,367 --> 00:17:00,166
was just
an awesome thing for me.

329
00:17:00,233 --> 00:17:01,667
Like, I was so excited.

330
00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:04,000
I was happy that I was
finally gonna have a family

331
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,634
that actually wanted to-- me.

332
00:17:08,667 --> 00:17:12,367
<i>When we finally like pulled up</i>
<i>into their big driveway,</i>

333
00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:14,066
<i>like it was a hill.</i>

334
00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:16,467
And I was just like, "Whoa."

335
00:17:16,467 --> 00:17:20,166
Like, I remember
my 5-year-old self
being so excited

336
00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:21,834
'cause it was a big house.

337
00:17:22,166 --> 00:17:23,467
Once we got in,

338
00:17:23,467 --> 00:17:25,734
I literally like
just looked everywhere.

339
00:17:27,467 --> 00:17:30,066
<i>And then they opened a door</i>

340
00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:32,533
<i>and through that door</i>
<i>was my bedroom.</i>

341
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,667
<i>And I was so excited</i>
<i>it was pink.</i>

342
00:17:36,734 --> 00:17:40,233
[laughs] <i>And it was just like</i>
<i>there was everything in there.</i>

343
00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:47,333
<i>I was with them</i>
<i>for about two years.</i>

344
00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:51,266
But, yeah, there was
a lot of good memories there.

345
00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:54,734
But then it was like
after a while, like...

346
00:17:55,967 --> 00:17:57,867
everything kind of changed.

347
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,967
<i>One time, me and</i>
<i>the little boy, Buro,</i>

348
00:18:07,033 --> 00:18:08,467
<i>we were just playing.</i>

349
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,834
I landed on Buro's arm wrong.

350
00:18:12,967 --> 00:18:14,867
<i>And I just kept saying,</i>
<i>"I'm sorry. I'm sorry.</i>

351
00:18:14,867 --> 00:18:16,266
<i>I didn't mean to hurt you."</i>

352
00:18:16,266 --> 00:18:20,667
<i>But then Gary came in</i>
<i>and he just started yelling.</i>

353
00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:22,667
And then,
as he was walking away,

354
00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:24,367
<i>I was crying and I was mad,</i>

355
00:18:24,367 --> 00:18:25,934
<i>I said, "I hate you."</i>

356
00:18:29,767 --> 00:18:33,567
After that,
Gary, I guess,

357
00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:36,567
like, he didn't like
me anymore,

358
00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:37,467
like, that's what I felt,

359
00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:38,567
like, it felt like
he hated me.

360
00:18:42,367 --> 00:18:47,367
Then one day, I remember
Dyan coming in my room,

361
00:18:47,367 --> 00:18:49,767
she told me,
she was like,

362
00:18:49,767 --> 00:18:52,066
"I'm not gonna be
your mom anymore,

363
00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:54,867
but I will always love you."

364
00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:58,133
<i>And, like, I didn't know</i>
<i>what was going on.</i>

365
00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:02,166
I felt like I was abandoned
most of the time

366
00:19:02,166 --> 00:19:05,367
because I bounced around from
so many different families.

367
00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:09,166
Dyan Ciccone had gone to
the Little People of America

368
00:19:09,233 --> 00:19:13,967
and said, "This little girl
is available for adoption."

369
00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:18,467
<i>There were three little people</i>
<i>couples interested in Natalia,</i>

370
00:19:18,467 --> 00:19:20,367
<i>but none of them</i>
<i>had worked out.</i>

371
00:19:21,467 --> 00:19:23,066
Gary and Dyan,

372
00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:27,567
<i>they passed me</i>
<i>around from families,</i>
<i>and I met a bunch,</i>

373
00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,467
<i>but they didn't</i>
<i>wanna adopt me,</i>

374
00:19:29,533 --> 00:19:32,166
<i>or something happened.</i>

375
00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:34,266
And then all of a sudden,
she told me that

376
00:19:34,266 --> 00:19:37,233
they found a family
that wanted me.

377
00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:41,166
And that's
where we were going,
we were going to Florida.

378
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,166
It makes me mad

379
00:19:49,166 --> 00:19:51,967
because I pretty
much got sold,

380
00:19:51,967 --> 00:19:54,867
like I'm some toy!

381
00:19:57,867 --> 00:20:01,066
<i>When the Ciccones took me</i>
<i>to the adoption agency,</i>

382
00:20:01,133 --> 00:20:03,166
I remember being told to just

383
00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:05,166
sit outside the room

384
00:20:05,166 --> 00:20:07,066
and just wait.

385
00:20:07,133 --> 00:20:09,100
And the Ciccones
went in first

386
00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:13,467
and talked
to Michael and Kristine
and the three boys.

387
00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:17,166
<i>I remember waiting</i>
<i>for a while, like,</i>
<i>I felt like a long time.</i>

388
00:20:17,233 --> 00:20:20,000
Finally, the Ciccones
came out, and it was like,

389
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,266
"You can come in now."

390
00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:25,867
And I remember running up to
Michael and giving him a hug,

391
00:20:25,934 --> 00:20:27,066
and I called him Daddy,

392
00:20:27,133 --> 00:20:29,867
'cause the Ciccones
told me that

393
00:20:29,867 --> 00:20:32,867
Michael and Kristine
were gonna be my parents.

394
00:20:32,867 --> 00:20:35,867
I think it was Kristine
who told me, she was like,

395
00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,467
"We're gonna be
your family now,"

396
00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:42,767
and I remember still being
very sad and very confused.

397
00:20:42,767 --> 00:20:45,066
I believe I cried too.

398
00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:47,667
<i>She was like, "It's okay."</i>

399
00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:50,967
<i>They acted like they wanted</i>
<i>me to be their daughter.</i>

400
00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:54,433
<i>So all I thought was just,</i>
<i>"I've found my family.</i>

401
00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:58,467
<i>They're gonna love me."</i>

402
00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:01,433
<i>But thinking back on it...</i>

403
00:21:02,667 --> 00:21:05,967
I think I trusted
them too fast.

404
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,767
<i>My name is Jackie Starbuck.</i>

405
00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:22,834
<i>I was the lead</i>
<i>deputy prosecutor on the</i>
<i>State versus Barnett cases.</i>

406
00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:25,767
There are things
I'm gonna tell you

407
00:21:25,834 --> 00:21:27,767
that you probably
have not heard

408
00:21:27,767 --> 00:21:29,166
from anyone else yet

409
00:21:29,233 --> 00:21:30,667
that are part of the truth.

410
00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:35,567
As we were conducting
this investigation and talking
to witnesses,

411
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:38,767
it was clear that there
was something going on

412
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,066
that was unusual,
to say the least.

413
00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:48,567
<i>From the time that Natalia</i>
<i>came to the Barnetts</i>

414
00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:50,667
<i>in April of 2010,</i>

415
00:21:50,734 --> 00:21:52,867
there continued to be
a pattern of saying,

416
00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:56,166
"Well, we don't know
how old Natalia is.

417
00:21:56,166 --> 00:21:59,667
We think she's this age.
We think she's an adult."

418
00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:02,467
When in fact,
they had been told repeatedly

419
00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:05,667
by multiple
medical professionals

420
00:22:05,734 --> 00:22:07,266
that that wasn't the case.

421
00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:11,567
They were working to hide,
really, that they ever had
any connection with Natalia,

422
00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:12,767
'cause they also
claimed that

423
00:22:12,767 --> 00:22:15,867
they didn't have
any records at all

424
00:22:15,867 --> 00:22:18,867
about Natalia's
prior medical history,

425
00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:21,667
and yet, they were providing
to the school system

426
00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:25,033
medical records from
before she was with them.

427
00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:28,100
[Beth] <i>Michael lied</i>
<i>when he said</i>

428
00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,367
<i>he never met</i>
<i>the Ciccones,</i>

429
00:22:29,433 --> 00:22:32,467
<i>and he lied when he said</i>
<i>this was a closed adoption.</i>

430
00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:36,100
A closed adoption,
by definition, means

431
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,867
no information about
or contact with

432
00:22:38,867 --> 00:22:40,333
the prior family.

433
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,166
<i>Not only do we have</i>
<i>Natalia's account</i>

434
00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:46,166
<i>of the Ciccones</i>
<i>and Barnetts meeting</i>

435
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:47,867
<i>at Adoption by Shepherd Care,</i>

436
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,867
<i>but we have email exchanges</i>

437
00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,266
<i>between the Barnetts</i>

438
00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:52,467
<i>and the Ciccones.</i>

439
00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:58,266
<i>And these email</i>
<i>exchanges included</i>

440
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,567
the executive director
of Adoption by Shepherd Care.

441
00:23:01,634 --> 00:23:03,767
<i>They were talking</i>
<i>to both families.</i>

442
00:23:05,066 --> 00:23:07,367
<i>There were also</i>
<i>signed contracts.</i>

443
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,066
<i>And the Ciccones</i>

444
00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:11,266
<i>and Barnetts were involved</i>

445
00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:12,567
<i>in a legal proceeding</i>

446
00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:13,767
<i>within a few months</i>

447
00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,867
<i>of picking up Natalia</i>
<i>in Florida,</i>

448
00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:17,166
<i>because there</i>
<i>were complications</i>

449
00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:18,567
<i>with the adoption.</i>

450
00:23:18,634 --> 00:23:21,066
But for some reason,
Michael hid this fact.

451
00:23:23,867 --> 00:23:26,767
<i>And he led us</i>
<i>to believe that</i>

452
00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:30,166
Adoption by Shepherd Care
was the sole adoption agency

453
00:23:30,166 --> 00:23:32,166
brokering the adoption
of Natalia,

454
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,767
but that's not true.

455
00:23:33,767 --> 00:23:36,767
We get this phone call
out of the blue

456
00:23:36,767 --> 00:23:38,367
from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.

457
00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:39,967
We get this phone call

458
00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:41,767
from Adoption
by Shepherd Care.

459
00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,567
I have nobody to trust
except for the experts
involved, in this case,

460
00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,066
it's gonna be
Adoption by Shepherd Care.

461
00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:51,567
[Beth] <i>But Gateway Woods</i>
<i>was their adoption agency.</i>

462
00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:54,266
Michael never mentions
Gateway Woods.

463
00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:55,934
Why not?

464
00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:00,066
<i>And I remember,</i>

465
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:01,867
after we left
the adoption agency,

466
00:24:01,867 --> 00:24:03,467
<i>we went to Disney World.</i>

467
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,166
And I remember
seeing the Ciccones

468
00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,767
and I remember
pointing them out.

469
00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:10,867
I was like, "Hey, it's Mom."

470
00:24:10,934 --> 00:24:14,467
And then Kristine was like,
"That's not your mom anymore.

471
00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:15,767
<i>I'm your mom now."</i>

472
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:17,166
And I was like, "Oh."

473
00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:19,667
Like, I didn't really know
what to say to that.

474
00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:23,066
I was worried, like, "I hope
I don't do something wrong."

475
00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:25,667
<i>We get to the hotel that night</i>

476
00:24:25,734 --> 00:24:29,634
<i>and Kristine's going to give</i>
<i>our brand-new daughter a bath,</i>

477
00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:32,634
and I hear a shout
from the bathroom.

478
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:37,767
She says,
"Michael, look down."

479
00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:39,834
And Natalia
had full pubic hair.

480
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,467
<i>The first night,</i>
<i>Kristine gave me a bath,</i>

481
00:24:44,467 --> 00:24:48,166
and, like, she never
mentioned anything to me

482
00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:51,467
about pubic hair or anything
like that. Like, I didn't

483
00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:53,066
know what that even was.

484
00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,867
Like, nobody explained
anything like that to me.

485
00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:58,000
I was six, about to be seven,
like, I didn't know.

486
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,233
<i>I don't know why</i>
<i>they said what they've said.</i>

487
00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:06,767
<i>I don't remember Michael</i>
<i>ever coming into the bathroom.</i>

488
00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:08,367
I, like, honestly, I don't.

489
00:25:08,367 --> 00:25:10,667
Like, I just remember Kristine
just helping me get dressed,

490
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,066
and then we were just
getting ready to go to bed.

491
00:25:13,066 --> 00:25:16,467
<i>I don't remember her, like,</i>
<i>calling Michael or anything</i>

492
00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,100
like that, I don't remember
Kristine doing any of that.

493
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,967
I just don't understand
why the Barnetts

494
00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:24,867
would say that
I have pubic hair

495
00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:27,266
or anything like that,

496
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:32,266
because literally, like,
I didn't start noticing
any hair, and so I was, like,

497
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,834
seven, almost eight.

498
00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,533
<i>But that doesn't mean</i>
<i>that I'm this big monster.</i>

499
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,066
<i>I was still a kid, like...</i>

500
00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:45,467
Look, some kids start early.

501
00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:47,567
You know, that's just,
that's what happens.

502
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,467
Regardless of what
happened in that hotel room,

503
00:25:52,533 --> 00:25:57,367
we do know that
that event did not trigger

504
00:25:57,367 --> 00:25:59,767
any desire
on the part of the Barnetts

505
00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:01,066
to return Natalia.

506
00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:04,266
Was this horror story
by the Barnetts

507
00:26:04,266 --> 00:26:07,166
in the Florida hotel room
about massive amounts

508
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,667
of pubic hair really
revisionist history

509
00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:14,834
as justification for re-aging
her years later?

510
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,767
<i>Now that Natalia</i>
<i>is able to speak to us,</i>

511
00:26:17,767 --> 00:26:19,367
we have more information,

512
00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:20,767
and some of that information

513
00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,166
<i>includes the Gateway Woods'</i>
<i>reports on home visits</i>

514
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:28,767
<i>and Dr. Riggs' report.</i>
<i>We did not have these before.</i>

515
00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:31,967
<i>And this is how</i>
<i>we learned the fact</i>

516
00:26:31,967 --> 00:26:34,667
<i>that the Barnetts were</i>
<i>represented by Gateway Woods</i>

517
00:26:34,667 --> 00:26:37,367
<i>during the adoption</i>
<i>of Natalia.</i>

518
00:26:37,367 --> 00:26:40,567
Natalia was seen
by a Dr. Riggs,

519
00:26:40,567 --> 00:26:42,367
<i>an endocrinologist,</i>

520
00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:45,867
<i>on June 3rd, 2010.</i>

521
00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:49,367
[Detective Brandon on phone]
<i>What age was he saying</i>
<i>that Natalia was?</i>

522
00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:52,567
[Dr. Andrew on phone]
<i>Okay, so here we go,</i>
<i>this was the 3rd of 2010.</i>

523
00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:57,567
<i>So at that time, she was at</i>
<i>the age of 9 to 11 years old.</i>

524
00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,467
[Detective Brandon on phone]
<i>And did you tell the parents</i>
<i>this directly?</i>

525
00:27:01,467 --> 00:27:03,166
[Dr. Andrew on phone] <i>Yes,</i>
<i>oh, yeah, mmm-hmm.</i>

526
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,433
<i>They were informed that</i>
<i>we felt that she was a child.</i>

527
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,100
So this is, like, five weeks

528
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,367
after she enters
the Barnett household.

529
00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:17,333
They knew right away
she was a child.

530
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,667
<i>Michael had to distance</i>
<i>himself from Dr. Riggs</i>
<i>and his report</i>

531
00:27:25,734 --> 00:27:28,567
<i>because the doctor</i>
<i>specifically told him</i>

532
00:27:28,634 --> 00:27:32,266
<i>that Natalia was a child</i>
<i>between the ages of 9 and 11.</i>

533
00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,867
<i>He also had to distance</i>
<i>himself from Gateway Woods</i>

534
00:27:34,867 --> 00:27:38,000
<i>because Gateway Woods</i>
<i>incorporated this information</i>

535
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,567
<i>in their report.</i>

536
00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:42,867
<i>Is that why Michael led</i>
<i>everyone to believe that</i>

537
00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:45,734
<i>Adoption by Shepherd Care</i>
<i>was his agency?</i>

538
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,967
<i>By leading others to believe</i>
<i>that the adoption was closed,</i>

539
00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:52,166
<i>Michael guaranteed</i>
<i>that few would question</i>

540
00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:54,867
<i>his story about the adoption.</i>

541
00:27:54,867 --> 00:27:57,567
We know now
this is not true.

542
00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:01,467
<i>But it made</i>
<i>a great cover story.</i>

543
00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:04,567
<i>Everything could have been</i>
<i>so different for Natalia</i>

544
00:28:04,567 --> 00:28:09,233
<i>if she had been adopted</i>
<i>by one of the families</i>
<i>she met before the Barnetts.</i>

545
00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:20,166
-[Nicole] We are the DePauls.
-It's not a toy.

546
00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:21,533
-[dog whines]
-No.

547
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,533
[Nicole] Woohoo!

548
00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:28,066
<i>As far as Natalia's age,</i>
<i>she was a child.</i>

549
00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:31,533
You like? Ooh.
You finish that.

550
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,333
<i>We think the Barnetts</i>
<i>should be in jail,</i>
<i>both of them.</i>

551
00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,567
We attempted
to adopt Natalia

552
00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:43,934
back in, uh, 2009.

553
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,266
-We set up
a private meeting...
-We--

554
00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:49,767
-...really, at a museum.
-A museum, right? Yeah.

555
00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:53,433
Her adoptive mother
at the time, uh, brought her.

556
00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:56,667
-[Nicole] <i>She came in.</i>
-[Vincent] <i>What a cute kid.</i>

557
00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,266
-[Nicole] <i>Oh, my gosh.</i>
-[Vincent] <i>She was adorable.</i>

558
00:28:58,266 --> 00:28:59,667
-[Nicole] <i>So cute.</i>
-[Vincent] <i>Absolutely.</i>

559
00:28:59,667 --> 00:29:02,066
[Nicole] <i>We had Mackenzie</i>
<i>already, our daughter,</i>

560
00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:03,567
<i>and she was four.</i>

561
00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,166
<i>We actually have pictures</i>
<i>of Mackenzie and her</i>

562
00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:09,166
<i>on this scooter together,</i>
<i>and they were just like</i>
<i>long-lost sisters.</i>

563
00:29:09,166 --> 00:29:11,667
[Vincent] <i>Like two peas</i>
<i>in a pod, it was really nice.</i>

564
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,166
<i>And we had two</i>
<i>subsequent visits.</i>

565
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:17,100
[Nicole] <i>Halloween,</i>
<i>and they were both</i>
<i>princesses that year.</i>

566
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,867
They got ready
for bed together,
they did everything.

567
00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,867
-[Vincent] <i>Helped each</i>
<i>other blow dry their hair.</i>
-[Nicole] <i>Yeah.</i>

568
00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:24,000
<i>And then Mackenzie</i>
<i>had a little car.</i>

569
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,367
[Vincent] <i>Just adorable</i>
<i>four and six-year-old</i>
<i>playing in the yard.</i>

570
00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:30,266
We were hopeful that it was
gonna move forward, and, uh--

571
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,567
Um, yeah, like, it felt
like a bomb got dropped,

572
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:36,967
and then we weren't able
to see Natalia again
after the last visit

573
00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:40,166
over Christmas because things
just got really messy,

574
00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,467
uh, with the attorneys.

575
00:29:41,533 --> 00:29:44,567
You know, it had nothing
to do with Natalia.

576
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:46,867
-It was heartbreaking.
-It was very heartbreaking.

577
00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:47,967
Ugh.

578
00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:50,767
Very, very heartbreaking.

579
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:54,567
The bond between Natalia
and the DePauls

580
00:29:54,634 --> 00:29:57,567
was deep and enduring.

581
00:29:57,567 --> 00:30:00,367
<i>They loved her,</i>
<i>had no problems with her,</i>

582
00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:03,734
<i>they wanted Natalia to be</i>
<i>a member of the family.</i>

583
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,767
I'm sorry, honey.

584
00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,567
This should have worked out
with the DePauls, right?

585
00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:11,567
But things get complicated

586
00:30:11,567 --> 00:30:15,166
when Child Protective Services
in New Hampshire received

587
00:30:15,233 --> 00:30:18,867
a report regarding Natalia
and the Ciccones.

588
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:24,166
The Ciccones suspected
the DePauls filed that report.

589
00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:25,767
The DePauls denied it,

590
00:30:25,834 --> 00:30:30,467
<i>but it culminated</i>
<i>in Natalia's adoption</i>
<i>being taken off the table.</i>

591
00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:33,166
She was no longer
available to the DePauls.

592
00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:36,867
<i>As you can imagine, this was</i>
<i>heartbreaking for the DePauls</i>

593
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:38,367
<i>and their daughter, Mackenzie,</i>

594
00:30:38,367 --> 00:30:41,133
but also, it was
heartbreaking for Natalia.

595
00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:48,166
<i>The DePauls, they were</i>
<i>little people like me,</i>

596
00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:51,667
and I used to always
go and visit them.

597
00:30:51,667 --> 00:30:54,934
Um, I was there for Christmas,

598
00:30:55,867 --> 00:31:00,166
<i>Halloween, and Mackenzie</i>
<i>and I were, like,</i>

599
00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:02,867
<i>it felt like we were</i>
<i>best friends.</i>

600
00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:04,867
<i>I loved hanging out with her.</i>

601
00:31:04,867 --> 00:31:07,867
<i>We did, like, almost</i>
<i>everything together.</i>

602
00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:10,634
Just like how
sisters would be.

603
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,867
<i>I really did wanna stay</i>
<i>with the DePauls,</i>

604
00:31:13,867 --> 00:31:18,066
so I wouldn't have
had to go through the pain
that I went through.

605
00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:22,967
I felt like they actually
wanted me and they loved me.

606
00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:26,467
But-- And then it was just,
like, I just stopped
seeing them.

607
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,100
And I was sad about that.

608
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,467
I don't know, it was
just a really weird thing,

609
00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:33,634
like, I just stopped
seeing them altogether.

610
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:35,834
Oh, yeah.

611
00:31:38,567 --> 00:31:41,767
[Nicole] <i>A few months later,</i>
<i>Kristine messaged me,</i>

612
00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:45,867
<i>and she said,</i>
<i>"We adopted Natalia."</i>

613
00:31:45,934 --> 00:31:49,266
The first red flag that I saw
with the Barnett family was

614
00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:53,567
they got Natalia
way too quickly,
never even met her.

615
00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,667
And they just,
basically, that was it.

616
00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,066
They just ripped her
out of the family.

617
00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:58,367
[Vincent] That was
kind of shocking to us.

618
00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:00,066
-Should we--
-"Should we make
sure it's a good fit?"

619
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:01,467
-Yeah.
-"Should we make
sure she likes us?"

620
00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:04,266
"Should we make sure
she's comfortable with us
and our other kids?"

621
00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:09,166
She's a little girl,
she's not a car. [scoffs]

622
00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:14,166
Another thing that felt weird
was Kristine asked me,

623
00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,367
<i>you know, "Had you ever, um,</i>
<i>questioned Natalia's age?"</i>

624
00:32:17,367 --> 00:32:20,066
I said, "I've never once
questioned Natalia's age."

625
00:32:20,133 --> 00:32:24,634
I said, "I have
her birth certificate,
I have all of her paperwork."

626
00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,667
-Do you remember this?
-[Mackenzie] Yeah.

627
00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,266
-This was at the museum...
-The museum.

628
00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:31,867
...when we first met Natalia.

629
00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,767
It was in 2009.

630
00:32:34,367 --> 00:32:36,467
And look at her tooth.

631
00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:39,066
-See? It's missing, right?
-[Mackenzie] Yeah.

632
00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:46,166
In this picture, you can see
the difference. See the teeth?

633
00:32:46,233 --> 00:32:47,667
This one's from Halloween.

634
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:49,166
Can you see the teeth?

635
00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:54,266
And then this one
is before that.

636
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:58,266
You could tell the changes,
obviously, in her teeth here.

637
00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:02,967
<i>And adults don't have changes</i>
<i>in their teeth like that.</i>

638
00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:05,166
That happens only
once in your life,

639
00:33:05,166 --> 00:33:07,100
when you're around
six years old,

640
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,567
exactly how old she is...

641
00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:10,266
-[both chuckle]
-...in 2009.

642
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,166
Does that look like
a 20-year-old to you?

643
00:33:12,166 --> 00:33:13,266
I mean, come on.

644
00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:15,767
-[both chuckle]
-I'm sorry,
which is ludicrous.

645
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,867
<i>I remember,</i>
<i>when I was with the Barnetts,</i>

646
00:33:25,867 --> 00:33:28,967
<i>we had just got</i>
<i>back from dinner,</i>

647
00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,166
and my tooth came out.

648
00:33:31,233 --> 00:33:33,233
I had a wiggly tooth,
and my tooth came out.

649
00:33:34,066 --> 00:33:36,100
Of course, Kristine
didn't believe me.

650
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,166
She said, "Why did
you pull your tooth out?"

651
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,767
I said, "I didn't
pull my tooth out."

652
00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,867
And there was,
like, a long piece,

653
00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:46,100
like, I guess, like,
almost, like, the root of it,

654
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,667
and she's like, "See,
the root is right there,
you pulled it out.

655
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:53,166
That wouldn't be there if
your tooth actually fell out."

656
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:56,867
And I didn't know
what to say to that,

657
00:33:56,867 --> 00:34:00,867
but I just kept telling her,
"No, I didn't, I didn't pull
my tooth out, it fell out."

658
00:34:00,934 --> 00:34:03,867
But she just kept telling me,
"You're lying, you pulled
your tooth out."

659
00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:11,266
<i>Ny name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler,</i>

660
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:16,467
<i>I've been practicing general</i>
<i>dentistry for 34 years,</i>

661
00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:18,767
and I am the dentist that,

662
00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:20,867
uh, Natalia Barnett

663
00:34:20,867 --> 00:34:21,767
and her mother

664
00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:22,867
came to see in 2011.

665
00:34:23,567 --> 00:34:25,467
Mrs. Barnett
brought in Natalia,

666
00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:28,867
and was saying,
"We have a question
as to how old Natalia is,

667
00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:30,967
we think she might be older
than what she says she is.

668
00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:32,767
Is there a way
you can find out?"

669
00:34:32,767 --> 00:34:35,033
Uh, which is an
unusual request.

670
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,567
<i>Talking to Natalia, she looked</i>
<i>like she was about seven,</i>

671
00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:42,767
<i>but she acted like</i>
<i>she was much older.</i>

672
00:34:42,767 --> 00:34:45,367
<i>She was answering</i>
<i>questions articulately.</i>

673
00:34:45,367 --> 00:34:47,767
<i>So at seven years old,</i>
<i>you just don't see</i>
<i>that all the time,</i>

674
00:34:47,767 --> 00:34:51,567
and that's why I thought,
"Well, this girl can't
be seven years old."

675
00:34:51,634 --> 00:34:53,767
And I can see how
mom would think that,

676
00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:57,333
after talking to her, because
she seemed very mature.

677
00:34:58,266 --> 00:35:01,367
I did ask
how do they know

678
00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:05,066
that she's not six
or whatever when they got her?

679
00:35:05,066 --> 00:35:07,567
And she's like, "Well,
we had dental records done

680
00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:09,767
on her and the dentist said

681
00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:12,467
that none of her teeth
are baby teeth,

682
00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:14,767
they're all adult teeth.

683
00:35:14,767 --> 00:35:18,934
So I was like, "Okay, okay."
[chuckles softly]

684
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,066
[Dr. Timothy] <i>This is the room</i>
<i>where we did Natalia's</i>
<i>panoramic X-ray.</i>

685
00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:26,667
So what I'm about
to show you

686
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,567
will be a definitive
answer as to

687
00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:33,066
how old Natalia was in 2011.

688
00:35:36,667 --> 00:35:40,000
Yeah, we determined
that she had, uh,

689
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,567
12 baby teeth remaining, uh,
three in each quadrant,

690
00:35:44,634 --> 00:35:47,767
so these three teeth right
here, in all the quadrants.

691
00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:50,967
It's very simple to determine
Natalia's age, I mean,

692
00:35:51,033 --> 00:35:53,867
there is really no question
when you take an X-ray
like this.

693
00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:56,100
You've got baby teeth,
adult teeth,

694
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,967
and there is a range
that you have for someone

695
00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:01,867
who's got this level
of tooth development,

696
00:36:01,934 --> 00:36:05,166
and that's going to be,
going to extremes,

697
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,333
six to nine years old.

698
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:11,166
This is way too many
baby teeth to be an adult.

699
00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:15,467
It's indisputable,
you can't fake teeth
coming in like this.

700
00:36:15,467 --> 00:36:18,000
So when mom and Natalia left,

701
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,166
<i>mom knew that Natalia</i>
<i>was around eight or nine,</i>

702
00:36:22,233 --> 00:36:25,634
<i>which is right in the range</i>
<i>of what she said that she was.</i>

703
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,667
Oh, her age was ch--
They legally changed her age?

704
00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,467
Oh, they tried to--
Oh, I wasn't aware of that.

705
00:36:36,467 --> 00:36:37,767
And what was it changed to?

706
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:45,166
Oh, really? Wow.

707
00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,734
Yeah.

708
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,867
Yeah, that's a big jump.

709
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,166
<i>Nothing in the X-ray</i>
<i>that we took that would show</i>

710
00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:57,367
<i>that she could be</i>
<i>anywhere near</i>

711
00:36:57,433 --> 00:37:03,967
15 years older.
Wow, that seems crazy.

712
00:37:03,967 --> 00:37:07,266
[Beth] <i>So that means</i>
<i>that even after signing</i>
<i>the dental records,</i>

713
00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:09,967
<i>Kristine still told people</i>

714
00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:11,634
<i>that Natalia was an adult.</i>

715
00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:14,700
Why?

716
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,667
[Natalia] <i>After the trial</i>
<i>and everything, and all</i>
<i>the records I have,</i>

717
00:37:21,734 --> 00:37:22,967
<i>especially in the</i>
<i>medical records,</i>

718
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,867
<i>it all points</i>
<i>to me being a kid.</i>

719
00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:28,367
<i>So I understand</i>
<i>what the truth is.</i>

720
00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,367
<i>I've known the truth for</i>
<i>as long as I can remember,</i>

721
00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:32,867
<i>that I was a kid.</i>

722
00:37:32,934 --> 00:37:36,767
But there's a lot of people
who are thinking, like,

723
00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:39,166
"There is a way
to tell her age.

724
00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:41,834
There is a way to prove it."

725
00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:47,166
<i>I just want people</i>
<i>to just really</i>

726
00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:48,934
<i>see the truth about my age.</i>

727
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:00,967
<i>TruDiagnostic,</i>

728
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,567
really, we're answering
a fundamental question,

729
00:38:02,567 --> 00:38:03,867
"How old are you?"

730
00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:05,867
<i>In fact, the uses</i>
<i>and the insurance</i>

731
00:38:05,934 --> 00:38:08,166
will actually predict when
someone's gonna die, right?

732
00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:09,767
And so, if you think
about that world,

733
00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:11,567
this is super important
to be accurate.

734
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,066
<i>What we're trying to determine</i>

735
00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:14,667
<i>is someone's</i>
<i>chronological age,</i>

736
00:38:14,734 --> 00:38:16,367
<i>not based off of</i>
<i>anyone's emotions,</i>

737
00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,266
<i>or what he said or she said.</i>

738
00:38:18,266 --> 00:38:21,166
For Natalia,
we're trying to figure out,
"Well, how old is she?"

739
00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:25,734
[softly] Ooh.

740
00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:28,533
-[man] You ready?
-No, mm.

741
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
We're really just taking
a sample of blood,

742
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,867
which has our answers,
because it's in the DNA.

743
00:38:37,934 --> 00:38:40,567
<i>Once we get this sample,</i>
<i>we are very excited</i>

744
00:38:40,634 --> 00:38:42,934
to really tie this
entire case together.

745
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,166
[Natalia] <i>I'm praying</i>
<i>for the best for this,</i>

746
00:38:54,233 --> 00:38:56,767
<i>but I'm really nervous.</i>

747
00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:59,567
Like, I don't know
what they're gonna say.

748
00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:00,867
Thanks for coming to the lab.

749
00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:02,266
Wanna take a look
at the results?

750
00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:03,834
Yes.

751
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,100
All right.

752
00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:11,000
-[chuckles nervously]
-[Dr. Halland] All right,
so moment of truth, all right?

753
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,133
Yes.

754
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,433
Based off of all the studies
and everything being analyzed,

755
00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:19,433
you're more closer to 22.

756
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:24,767
Which is pretty close
to what you think,
you're almost 20,

757
00:39:24,767 --> 00:39:26,033
that's within two years.

758
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,867
Wow.

759
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:36,066
This one little piece of paper
throws every single lie

760
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:38,667
that the Barnetts have said
right into the trash

761
00:39:39,367 --> 00:39:40,533
with a match.

762
00:39:46,567 --> 00:39:48,367
[sniffles] This is so big,

763
00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,867
because literally,
this has been 13 years.

764
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:55,934
Thirteen years of just two
people lying their butts off.

765
00:39:57,567 --> 00:40:00,767
[sniffles] They ruined
a kid's life.

766
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:04,767
They painted that I'm some
big monster, when in reality,
they were the ones.

767
00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,967
[Bishop Antwon]
You're exactly right.

768
00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:11,133
[Natalia] It just proves that
I was not lying about my age.

769
00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:15,967
They ignored everything...
[sniffles] ...that was
pointing to the truth,

770
00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:18,467
just so they could
create this stupid lie.

771
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,934
[crying]

772
00:40:31,066 --> 00:40:34,467
<i>So if all of that</i>
<i>is true about her age,</i>

773
00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:38,367
that means Natalia came
into the country in 2008

774
00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:39,967
<i>when she was four,</i>
<i>almost five.</i>

775
00:40:39,967 --> 00:40:44,166
<i>Adopted by the Barnetts</i>
<i>in 2010 when she was seven.</i>

776
00:40:44,166 --> 00:40:47,667
Natalia was eight when the
age-change petition was filed,

777
00:40:47,734 --> 00:40:51,567
<i>and was placed in</i>
<i>the apartment in Westfield.</i>

778
00:40:51,634 --> 00:40:53,567
In July of 2013,

779
00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:56,367
<i>when she was placed</i>
<i>in the Lafayette apartment,</i>

780
00:40:56,367 --> 00:40:57,767
<i>she would have been nine,</i>

781
00:40:57,767 --> 00:41:00,467
a few months shy
of turning ten.

782
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:03,567
<i>What that means is that</i>
<i>Natalia was a child</i>

783
00:41:03,634 --> 00:41:05,467
<i>living on her own.</i>

784
00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:07,333
[sniffling and crying]

785
00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:12,033
I just wanna know,
why create this story?

786
00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:14,567
[sniffles]

787
00:41:14,634 --> 00:41:17,533
They knew, and they
still did what they did.

788
00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:23,634
[sniffles]

789
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,166
[Bishop Antwon]
Why do this?

790
00:41:31,166 --> 00:41:33,166
Why go through
all of this, for what?

791
00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:36,834
The question is, why?

792
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,634
That's the
million-dollar question.

793
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,567
<i>I always knew</i>
<i>I wasn't an adult,</i>

794
00:41:44,567 --> 00:41:46,967
<i>but I never knew</i>
<i>why the Barnetts</i>

795
00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:48,433
<i>adopted me.</i>

796
00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:53,367
<i>Never once</i>
<i>did I see any love.</i>

797
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,567
<i>I feel like there's</i>
<i>something bigger with this.</i>

798
00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,266
<i>I don't know what it is.</i>

799
00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:01,066
How did they shut
these doctors up?

800
00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:03,166
How did they hide
all this evidence?

801
00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:06,233
<i>They are hiding</i>
<i>something big.</i>

802
00:42:07,867 --> 00:42:10,433
And I wanna know the answers
to these questions.

803
00:42:11,467 --> 00:42:14,200
And I want people to pay
for what they have done.


